When a government official told him, “We found a life form,” it changed Tom DeLonge’s life. He tells investigative reporter George Knapp about the conversations that established trust and opened the flow of secrets. Previously unaired in its entirety. Fourth of 8 parts.
George Knapp: These are real people, though. In real positions.
Tom DeLonge: These are real people in real positions dealing with real threats.
Knapp: And how would … what is your agreement with them? That you don’t reveal who they are? That you can only unveil pieces that they tell you you can unveil? Or how does it work?
DeLonge: My agreement is, it’s a very simple one. And I’ve had to earn it, I had to earn it by executing what I said I would. I had to earn it by showing them that I could keep a secret. One of the advisors — the number one advisor — I had to fly out to a certain spot, and walk through a bunch of security, and then go around the corner to the back of this weird room and sit there for two hours. And the very first thing this person said to me was, “I don’t think you can keep a secret,” and stares at me in the eyes. And I just go, I remember I was sweating bullets. And I was like, “I’ve never been asked to. I’ve never been asked to.” And then the conversation went from there, where he says, “We found a life form.”
Knapp: We found a life form.
DeLonge: We found a life form. And then that conversation changed my life. Not only did I know this stuff was real, and but like, in my heart, I knew was real. But it’s so different when you have a person like that, saying it to you, knowing who this person is, and where they come from.
Knapp: So give me the broad strokes of what you think the situation is. Life forms and craft have been recovered from some others.
DeLonge: Yes. So you know, without getting …
Knapp: … too far into weeds …
DeLonge: Yeah, without getting too far into the weeds. Because … and we can go there in the project, we will go there … but it’ll take some discussion to open people’s minds. You got to think about, let me just paint this picture. There was the time where we put the Hubble telescope in orbit. And we did something called the Deep Space project where we focused the Hubble telescope on the darkest spot in the universe that we could find. They said it was akin to taking a grain of sand and holding it out with your fingers like this. Just a little pinpoint. Focused it there for 11 days. We were able to develop a one inch by one inch slide that had 10,000 galaxies on that one slide. And that’s just one little grain of sand up in the sky that we focused on. We think there’s life on Mars, you know, microbial life, water, trees, who knows what’s there. So you got to think about those 10,000 galaxies, and each galaxy having hundreds of billions of solar systems having hundreds and hundreds of billions of planets. I think the universe is teeming with life. So let’s just say that. So it’s not too far off to say there was a period of time where we were starting to see things fly around our skies. Something might have crashed, something might have gotten shot down, something might have by design looked like it was … it crashed, but no matter what, it was there. And that didn’t only happen here. It happened, potentially over a period of centuries. Maybe only one century. I don’t know all the details. But I know that there were and I was told there were crashes. And we took that, probably got pretty freaked out, pretty scared. We scurried it away, created what they call a pickup game of counterintelligence to keep people away from asking hard questions that we didn’t know the answers to. And we created this crash program, much bigger than the Manhattan Project, much bigger than Apollo, to figure out how this stuff worked, and how to build our own defense system against it, should there be more. And I find that just absolutely fascinating.
Knapp: Is it … can you say … is it within government? Is whatever we have in the purview of government? Or is it outside? Or a little bit of both? I mean, is it, there are people in the government that know. But a lot of people, or at least some of the key players, are outside the government?
DeLonge: I, I believe it’s absolutely in government. But I do believe that a lot of this exists in clever ways. I’m not totally sure if it’s to keep the secret. Probably. But I think it’s also to make sure that we get the world’s best and brightest talent working on it. When we first started having … when we first found the vehicles, I know, we brought in private industry, military, intelligence, a good diverse group of very, very elevated thinkers, and said, “How do we handle this?” And I know a lot of private industry got deeply involved, because that’s where the talent pool was. And those companies working on those things fall under the Department of Defense and have to operate like government, but it’s still under, you know, a private corporation, where certain laws protect their own breakthroughs as proprietary, you know, assets. So, I know, in my dealings with the advisors that when I asked them, I asked a question very specifically, I said, I said, you know, “Do we … is it legal to be working on this advanced machinery the way you guys are? Or does national security dictate you being able to do whatever you want to do to get the job done?” I wasn’t being disrespectful. I wasn’t saying, “Are you doing something illegal?” It was very clear what they were trying to achieve when the response I got was the exact law with the exact number and the exact paragraph on the government website. I was being pointed to the very specific text of which these national security departments operate under. My first meeting with the main advisor, was very clear that they were trying to do something that was best for the republic. That came out like eight times over a period of two hours. We went from the conversation of “I don’t think you can keep a secret” to where it was the Cold War and we found a life form, bounce forward to like what we need to do for the republic is “x.” And this is the best for the republic, the United States needs this. And it was very thoughtful considerations. It made me really patriotic and you know, I was not what I was expecting. You watch like a Michael Moore documentary and he goes and sneaks into the trade shows for the defense industry and it’s just, “We’re gonna go to war and we’re gonna make money off missiles.” Not at this level. These guys doing this stuff, it’s … it has nothing to do with that. These guys are trying to deal with something that is what they term an existential threat.