Tom DeLonge talks about what it took to open doors in government, something outsiders ridicule as unlikely. He tells investigative reporter George Knapp that the “Sekret Machines” books were part of his key to unlocking access to people on the inside. Previously unaired in its entirety. Third of 8 parts.
George Knapp: I guess to put it in a nutshell, a lot of people just laugh at it and (are) ready to dismiss it. But you know now for a fact there are high-level people who know that it’s real.
Tom DeLonge: Yes. Not only do I know for a fact that there are groups and high-level groups within the DOD and national security divisions of our country, not only do I know that they know it’s real, I’m starting to get a clear picture of why it’s kept secret and why it’s been treated the way that it’s been treated to people like civilians, which is, once again, an element of that giggle factor.
Knapp: “We have a right to know. We’re ready.” You hear it every day in the UFO field. “We can handle the truth. We have a right to know. Tell us what’s going on.”
DeLonge: You know, I feel like, to make an analogy, maybe one of your best friends, you’ve got to go and approach one of your best friends about something that’s really heavy and it’s really going to crush his life. And you’re like, “I don’t want to do this today. I’ll do it tomorrow.” And you’re like, “I don’t want to come up and do this, I’ll do it next week.” You put it off, because it’s something that’s going to really hurt somebody. And it’s just a big thing to jump into. And I feel like, that’s kind of what this topic is, with civilians. I think they really want us to know, I really do think they do. I really do at this point feel like it’s going to be a tough thing to swallow for people. And I think there’s elements about it that people are not ready for. And my whole life, I was … I had that very kind of … and I think you and I have talked about this … where I’ve had that kind of egocentric version of why they won’t tell us stuff. “They think they’re more important than me,” or, “They don’t think I can handle it,” or, “They’re hiding breakthroughs from me for money.” You know, all these things that are just ego. And I have never been so wrong. You know, as I get into this stuff, I’m starting to learn the architecture of why and how and what, it’s just not that at all.
Knapp: Maybe the hardest thing to believe — of all of it — you can believe in the others or aliens or something like that, but to believe that our government actually had a good reason for keeping this a secret is going to be tough for people to swallow.
DeLonge: People … you know, one of the ways I got the advisors in the first place is that I was very driven to change the cynical view people had of government. Everyone in my generation and younger, you know, they would think Ed Snowden is a hero. They would … these guys are graduating as young adults from MIT, but they don’t want to work for the government. They want to work for Elon Musk. You know, they want to work for Facebook. The government’s looked at as a big lying monster after its own reward. I … once again, it’s just not how it works. You know, I was told something early on that every general you meet will be very smart, very thoughtful, and very professional. That is absolutely true. Every general that I’ve met, and I’ve met a lot of them, especially dealing with this, very smart and very thoughtful and very professional. I’m kind of going, “Well, you guys are portrayed in movies so different.” It’s just not the case. What I’m finding out is with national security, or global security, that dictates everything. And then the law of how to deal with it does dictate everything. They’re not out breaking the law like everyone just assumes. What they don’t do is communicate the task that they’re doing. So therefore, we’re left to our own devices to define their reasons and to define what they’re doing. It’s just like politics. You know, whoever defines the other person first, wins. So there’s this big kind of … the Zeitgeist of what we think about our government is just like, okay, they’re after, money or power, or they’re, they’re just criminally insane. It’s just not the case. The UFO issue is a big, somewhat scary issue. And they’re dealing with it, and they’re dealing with it hard. And they’re not thinking about stopping to make sure our neighbors understand. It’s just they don’t have time for that.
Knapp: Talk a little bit about the process. I mean, you don’t just go, “Hi, I’m Tom, the rock star, show me where the UFO shows are.” I mean, it … took some steps and some finagling on your part, to be sort of let in as far as you have.
DeLonge: Yeah. No, it took a lot of steps. I was very careful and very professional, my first approach to even get meetings with certain people. And when I did that, I was very respectful. I tried to be as eloquent as I could in describing something that was very ambitious. And I would always give just enough to get another meeting. And when I would get that second meeting, I would present something a step further. The thing that really got me going was, so we have three “Sekret Machines” novels we’re putting out that contain information that’s real. You know, I should also throw out that a lot of people will find some of this information that’s already been out there. But nobody knows what’s real or not. This is about defining truth, these are true things that I’m putting in here. So it’s not that all of them have never been released. But you can go on and do all the research you want and find 10 different answers for what UFOs are. Well, I’m giving you the one that is the truth. So in any case, so to do that, we have the three novels, and then we have three nonfiction books that come out in between, and those nonfiction books describe the overall, you know, the overall phenomenology of what this is, you know, the study of all of it. The prologue to the first book, the introduction, is kind of a mission statement, an abridged thesis on what the phenomenon is. So when I worked my way to meeting these guys, and got far enough to have a second meeting, I would throw that on the desk and say, please read this, sir. And I will call them by their rank, I don’t you know, they’re always kind enough to say, oh, you can call me X or Y, you know, just their first name. And no, I’ll call you by your rank, and I’ll be very respectful. And I give them that prologue. And that’s when it started. So the first time I put that down, I thought I went too far. I thought I shouldn’t have done that. Because I know that this is national security. It’s like I tell people, it’s like, imagine in World War II, you go and sit with somebody and you say, “Hey, about that nuclear weapon that you’re building … hey, I want to talk to you about that.” And they would say like, “The president doesn’t even know about that. Get the hell out of here.” You know, it’d be a big deal. And now that’s kind of how this issue is. So I thought I went too far. So two weeks went by and I didn’t hear anything. And I was like, “Oh, my God, I shouldn’t have done that. I shouldn’t have just blatantly put out all this stuff about UFOs to somebody on the inside.” Well, all the sudden I get pinged to show up next to the Pentagon, at a certain day at a certain time I was going to meet be meeting somebody that’s very deep, deeply involved in this stuff. And that was the beginning of the great adventure.